Robson’s Route to Changing His Story – Part 2

“A master of deception” – then or now?

Over the years, both as a child and as an adult Wade continued to defend Jackson privately and publicly alike, and often volunteered to do so. At no times did he give any hint of distress or confusion while talking about Jackson, he always seemed very open and genuine about their friendship. There are also no stories of him telling anyone or hinting to anyone, either publicly or privately, that he had been allegedly sexually abused. On the contrary.

According to Wade’s mother, Joy Robson, Wade was “very convincing” when she asked her son in the wake of the Chandler allegations about whether he had ever been molested by Jackson “[Wade] laughed and said it was ridiculous” and “he would look me in the eye time and time again and tell me that nothing ever happened”. When she was asked: “And throughout — up until after Michael passed away, he always was very consistent in his story to you that nothing ever happened?” she answered: “He was.” When asked if Wade was believable she said: “He was — he should have had an Oscar. He was very convincing.” [1; page 159-160]

In a draft for a book that Wade was shopping about his allegations in late 2012-early 2013 (more about that later), he explains his consistent, convincing denial of sexual abuse by describing himself as “a master of deception” [2; page 110]. When asked if he was a good liar, he says Jackson taught him “how to lie really well about the abuse that I suffered at his hands” [2; page 110]. So according to Wade’s story, alleged “coaching” on the phone, like the above quoted one, made him a masterful liar, and very convincing even to his very much controlling mother.

In the years before Jackson’s criminal trial in 2005 [for details about that case see our relevant section], the Robsons did not have much contact with Jackson. According to Joy Robson’s 2016 deposition: “We weren’t talking to Michael much at that time. We were really not having any connection” and “we weren’t really seeing much of him at the time” [1; page 172]. Wade in his declaration for his creditor’s claim says that he would see Jackson about once a year and talk on the phone with him two or three times a year in the years before the 2005 trial [3; paragraph 19]. So while they still had some connection, it was sporadic.

Wade claims in his complaint that when he was subpoenaed to testify at Jackson’s trial, once again Jackson “coached” him by “role playing” over the phone and once again it worked on him, just like when he was 11 years old in 1993.

“Michael Jackson continued to call him constantly and perform similar role playing as he did with [Robson] during the Chandler Investigation, telling [Robson]: “They are making up all these lies about you and me, saying that we did all this disgusting sexual stuff. They are just trying to take US down, take away my power and my money, take away OUR careers. We can’t let them do this. We have to fight them together.” [Robson’s] state of mind was the same as when he testified in connection with the Chandler Investigation in late 1993.” [4; paragraph 40]

(Emphasis added.)

Robson’s current story (well, one version of it) is that on May 5, 2005, when he went up on the stand and testified under oath at a criminal trial in Jackson’s defense as an adult man, he did so because at the time he did not yet understand that what Jackson had allegedly done to him as a child was sexual abuse, was wrong and was not consensual and not loving. He claims he thought at the time that he was absolutely fine with it [2; page 98-99]. Even if you are willing to give him the benefit that as an adult man he would not understand what sexual abuse was (and please consider that, among other things, he claims things like anal rape), there are some problems with that claim. One is that at the time the Jackson trial was all over the news and of course it was discussed everywhere how wrong such alleged acts would be and how there would be nothing consensual about sexual relations between a child and an adult. Another thing to consider is that when the Arvizo allegations became public, just a couple of days later, Robson was asked about them in an interview on November 26, 2003. “I never had that experience and I hope that it never happened to anybody else” [5], he said. That sounds like a man who fully understood that a sexual relationship between a man and a child would be wrong.

Moreover, during his testimony at Jackson’s trial Robson was not just asked vague or general questions that could be open to Robson’s interpretation of what is right and what is wrong. In actuality, he was asked very pointed and direct questions. For example, when Jackson’s attorney Thomas Mesereau asked him if he had ever showered with Jackson as a child, that is a “yes” or “no” question where the answer would not depend on Robson’s understanding of whether it is right or wrong. Robson firmly denied that he had ever showered with Jackson.

Thomas Mesereau: Has anything inappropriate ever happened in any shower with you and Mr. Jackson?

Wade Robson: No. Never been in a shower with him. [6]

He did not say “I was in a shower with him, but I don’t think it is inappropriate”, he said “No. Never been in a shower with him”. There were many pointed and direct questions like that by both the defense and the prosecution, where the answer simply would not depend on Robson’s understanding of right or wrong and each time Robson firmly and unambiguously denied that any sexual abuse had ever happened.

Please consider that one is under oath and under a penalty of perjury while testifying at a criminal trial AND also while making a declaration or testifying at a deposition in a civil case. That means there is no way around it: Wade Robson is a proven liar who has no qualms about lying under oath and under a penalty of perjury. He either lied in 2005 or he is lying now that he has changed his story and filed a lawsuit with monetary demands.

According to another version of his story, he denied abuse before 2012 (including under oath at the 2005 trial) because Jackson told him that both of them would go to jail and both of their lives and careers would be over if anyone ever found out, and Wade believed it [7]. He was afraid of going to jail himself and he also wanted to protect Jackson from going to jail, he says. This seems to contradict the claim that he did not know it was wrong until 2012: if it is something to go to jail for then it is certainly something wrong. But even if we believe he had some sort of cognitive dissonance or that he really thought that child sexual abuse was “an expression of love”, misunderstood by society and perpetrators would wrongly be jailed for it (although this seems to be contradicted by his comment “I never had that experience and I hope that it never happened to anybody else”), the fact is that he could see from the 1993 and 2005 cases that the alleged victims do not go to jail and that no one ever went to jail for accusing Michael Jackson of sexual abuse. In actuality, the Santa Barbara Police Department welcomed anyone willing to accuse Jackson of such acts with open arms, they even campaigned for alleged victims to come forward, and no alleged victim was ever threatened to go to jail for such allegations. The media generally was also very pro-prosecution and supportive of the accuser, not Jackson.

In yet another version of his story, and apparently this is the version he gave to his mother, he did not tell his alleged “truth” in 2005 because of shame. In her 2016 deposition Joy Robson explained what Wade told her about why he denied any abuse as an adult, including at the 2005 trial.

Joy Robson: This was — this was after the fact, when — after — after Michael died and — and [Wade] talked about the abuse. I asked him why he — you know, I said, “As a child, you were too frightened to come to me and tell me about it. So why as an adult, as you’re older, and when this” – the abuse stopped when he was 14. Like, “Why wouldn’t you have come to me then?” Because as a mother, that was very hurtful that he was not able to come and talk to me about it.

And he said — he said it was the shame — as you get older, the shame sets in, and he was just too ashamed to talk about it. And I think that’s why he didn’t want to testify again [in 2005]*, was the shame.

Katherine Kleindienst (attorney for Jackson’s companies): So that’s what he told you about why he didn’t testify (sic) once he became an adult?

Joy Robson: Yes.

Katherine Kleindienst: And before he testified at the criminal trial?

Joy Robson: He told me that — he told me that after he told us about the abuse, when he talked about the trial, and that’s why he didn’t want to testify. Because if he told the truth, it would be the shame.” [1; page 188]

(* Wade initially did not want to testify at the trial in 2005. Details about that in the next chapter.)

The version he told his mother about shame, however, is contradicted by Wade’s own deposition. There he presented the version where he simply did not understand in 2005 that what allegedly had happened to him as a child was wrong or that he had any problem with it. Any feeling of shame, guilt or anxiety he dealt with, he says, was in everyday social situations, not about the alleged abuse. Although now he tries to link those everyday anxiety, shame or guilt issues to his alleged sexual abuse, but fact is many people experience such feelings in life in social situations regardless if they had ever been sexually abused or not. He specifically states that until May 2012 he did not yet understand his alleged sexual abuse, so he did not feel any shame or guilt about it.

Katherine Kleindienst: When you testified at the criminal trial in 2005, did you feel a sense of shame of what had happened between you and Michael?

Wade Robson: No. I didn’t, I didn’t have any, as I stated, I didn’t have any perspective on it. I didn’t forget about it, but I didn’t think about it. I, I just didn’t let myself think about it. So, I know, and I may have said this before somewhere else, and it may have been misconstrued, I know now and I know post disclosing and understanding, I know now that I had, that I was dealing with shame then, but I did not know that at the time. I did not understand that at the time.

Katherine Kleindienst: Were you ever worried about disclosing the fact that you had been abused because you thought that everyone was going to think that you were wrong or disgusting or gay?

Wade Robson: I didn’t know that at the time. I didn’t know that at any, at any time until post May 2012. I began then, May 2012, to understand that so many of my symptoms of fear and anxiety in social scenarios, in almost any scenario, related to this sort of unconscious, subconscious, shame and guilt. But I never understood that before May 2012 that that’s what I was feeling.

Katherine Kleindienst: You didn’t have conscious feelings of shame and guilt?

Wade Robson: I had feelings of shame and guilt but I never related them, I never understood that they had anything, any connection to, had anything to do with the abuse. I thought that they were just always connected to work life or just general social anxieties or stuff within my family, but I never understood until post 2012 why I had that, those feelings of shame and guilt, which was relating to the abuse.” [2; page 161-162]

(Emphasis added.)

Previous chapter: The 1993 Investigation

Next chapter: “They are making up all these lies about you and me, saying that we did all this disgusting sexual stuff”


[1] Deposition Transcript of Lynette Joy Robson (September 30, 2016)

[2] Deposition Transcript of Wade Jeremy William Robson (December 12, 2016)

[3] Declaration of Wade Robson (April 30, 2013)

[4] Wade Robson’s Fourth Amended Complaint – see as an attachment to Notice of Plaintiff Wade Robson’s Motion to Amend the Third Amended Complaint; Memorandum of Points and Authortities (filed on September 9, 2016)

[5] Michael McKenna – Aussie Star Tells of Sharing Jackson’s Bed (November 26, 2003, Hobart Mercury, Australia) for a secondary source see:

[6] Wade Robson’s testimony at Michael Jackson’s 2005 trial (May 5, 2005)

[7] For example, Wader Robson’s interview on the Today’s Show on May 16, 2013

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